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Post by GroundSquirrel on May 29, 2017 17:18:01 GMT
Ladyaly and I were debating the Mysterious Benefactor who saved the project. I thought it would be more convenient to create a separate thread about it for future reference maybe? Please feel free to add more theories or shoot holes in the ones already posted Here's a recap of the posts from the "Post your game progress" thread. I've been so rude as to remove all the spoiler tags, so be warned! I'm curious now who the mysterious benefactor is. My bet about the benefactor is still on Cerberus - dunno why - sort of a feeling Hmmm... But if that was the case you'd think it would be a humans only mission. Although Cerberus has been known to bend the rules a little when it comes to working with aliens (ME2) But it is interesting to know that the whole project WAS indeed a contingency plan for the reaper invasion. Btw could the Shadow Broker have been an option for the title of mysterious benefactor? mmh... I doubt that. The timeline will not fit, since the Shadow Broker is Liara at this time ( if I am not complete wrong ) Why should she kill Jien Garson ? The Andromeda Initiative was founded by Jien Garson in 2176. The events of ME2 took place in 2185, including overthrowing the old Shadow Broker. Alec Ryder was assigned Pathfinder and the Nexus and the 4 Arks left for Andromeda sometime in 2185. If the mysterious benefactor was the Shadow Broker then it stands to reason that the mysterious benefactor would have been involved in the project for some time before 2185. Jien Garson did state that she was running out of money before this mysterious benefactor stepped in and we know the reaper threat scared the Shadow Broker... Liara would have found out about the project after the old Shadow Broker was overthrown. I'm assuming that that's one of the reasons why Liara would have gotten in contact with Alec Ryder at some point. Some more thoughts on this: Maybe Jien's murder was a means to keep her from finding out the truth? Surely she would have started digging for more information on the mysterious benefactor as soon as they got to Andromeda. I wonder what people would think if they found out that our yagh friend was the mysterious benefactor... The reaper threat scared him and he saw the Andromeda Initiative as his ticket out. Being the shadow broker I'm sure he could come up with enough resources to finish the project. He would have agents in place making sure he was aboard one of the Arks or the Nexus, when the time came to depart the Milky Way. Of his agents had to make sure that the stayed anonymous, so that he could set up a new Broker network upon arrival in Andromeda. Obviously Shepard and Liara managed to thwart his plan to escape the Milky Way, but his agents might not have been the wiser and still set out to carry out their orders?
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Post by ladyaly on May 29, 2017 19:52:25 GMT
If you explain it like this it sounds very possible and realistic. Can't loose my feeling that Cerberus is involved somehow, though. IM was pro human- sure. But he did also know about the threat coming up from the reapers. Its not explained who did start really the uprising - was it created after the Scourge behind the screen from his agents ? Spender ? Well known that he helped the human exiles. He had his dirty fingers in the Krogan matter, too. He harasses salarian workers. Would brilliant fit into Cerberus. Maybe an uprising was planned anyway - why did the Nexus arrive 14 months before the arks ? No one could expect the Scourge but the Nexus was still way to early. I wonder why.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on May 30, 2017 15:19:44 GMT
If you explain it like this it sounds very possible and realistic. Can't loose my feeling that Cerberus is involved somehow, though. IM was pro human- sure. But he did also know about the threat coming up from the reapers. Its not explained who did start really the uprising - was it created after the Scourge behind the screen from his agents ? Spender ? Well known that he helped the human exiles. He had his dirty fingers in the Krogan matter, too. He harasses salarian workers. Would brilliant fit into Cerberus. Maybe an uprising was planned anyway - why did the Nexus arrive 14 months before the arks ? No one could expect the Scourge but the Nexus was still way to early. I wonder why. Well, the plan for the Nexus was to arrive in Andromeda first so that they could complete the final stages of construction before the Arks arrived, so the Arks were scheduled to depart later. It doesn't say how much later though. Weeks? Months? Also the route taken to Andromeda may have been different for the Nexus and the Arks to account for obstacles in their path? Maybe it also has something to with time dilation? From the Nexus Uprising novel: The uprising started when Tann decided that people had to be put back into stasis again, because of the shortage of resources on the Nexus. This did not fall well with people who had originally been pulled from stasis to fix the Nexus. They felt that their leaders didn't care about them and thought they needed new plans and leaders.
Spender didn't start the uprising, but he didn't stand in the way of it either.
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Post by alexiarevan on Jun 7, 2017 9:37:49 GMT
You know...*wave* Hi Btw lol ..
I though it was the shadow Broker..aka Liara . But..then the whole wanna kill Jian Garsen..didn't make sense .
Because the person who was talking to Daddy Ryder , was changing their identity and that scream The Shadow broker . TIM is more...direct in his way . He isn't know to play hide and daggers like this . That's why..I don't think it's Cerebrus .
Beside , who say there is only Cerebrus that is evil in the world ? could be an evil faction of the Alliance . could be any other governements for that matter . Also....Jian Garsa said the ''Benefector'' trying to kill her , but honestly we only have her words . The person who killed her , could be someone tied to Spender and it was all because of the uprising . It could have no tie to the benefector at all . She could've assumed wrong .
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Jun 7, 2017 12:52:20 GMT
I don't think Spender had anything to do with Jien's murder. He was still in stasis in the time frame in which Jien was murdered (the first 27 hours after Arrival) So it had to be someone higher up the food chain or any of those who were pulled from stasis early to fix life support etc. The uprising occurred long after Jien's murder, so it wasn't a cause for her murder.
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Post by alexiarevan on Jun 7, 2017 13:01:34 GMT
I don't think Spender had anything to do with Jien's murder. He was still in stasis in the time frame in which Jien was murdered (the first 27 hours after Arrival) So it had to be someone higher up the food chain or any of those who were pulled from stasis early to fix life support etc. The uprising occurred long after Jien's murder, so it wasn't a cause for her murder. you sure ? wasn't there a video Log that showed him handing something to someone during the upraising? You think its Tann right? lol Ya humans are all racist! Honestly , could be anyone . the fact that they showed a human , that kinda narrowed it down though no ? could be reyes group ? I mean they were on the nexus before they went solo right? I could say Sloan , but.....she wouldn't have a motive . Reyes would , if he was the benefector hencheman . why I say reyes ? because...unlike Sloan who seem to have to go the brutish route to settle down and get a semblant of a society in Kadara . Reyes come off more like ''we had help , hence why its all organized crime sindycat'' ... could be wrong of course . Unless we can find a way to prove that the benefector was behind Jian murder , which we don't . The benefector could be liara . And Jian murder could be just a set of coincidence , angry mobs lashing out at the person who brough them there . Could be someone from the top chain who wanted her out to make everyone vulnerable and charge and take over (Tann) . Could be reyes (had a mission from benefector) , could be Sloan (hate her for not waking her up for the Party)... could be addison . Her face wasn't yet tired and she wanted to prevent that stole all Jian LOREAL to make sure !
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Post by ladyaly on Jun 7, 2017 13:18:08 GMT
Problem is the scan indicates a human standing in front of that mysterious apartment on the Nexus. Over the wounded/dead body of Jien Garson. I doubt Sloan/Reyes has anything to do with, though.
Nevertheless its all speculation anyway.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Jun 7, 2017 13:42:29 GMT
Yes, I'm sure that it wasn't Spender. (reading the book helps) It also wasn't Sloane. She respected Jien. It wasn't Tann either as he was also still in stasis. Addison did have the opportunity I suppose, but I don't know. She suffered from a major depression after things with the Nexus went wrong over and over again. It doesn't make sense to me. The Benefactor wasn't Liara. The project was already well underway when she took over as the Shadow Broker plus it wouldn't make sense at all. Don't have enough info on Reyes other than that I find him a sleeze lol Then again Shadow Broker agents could be sleezes Hmmm yeah I guess L'Oréal is rather scarce in Andromeda, so that is probably a very good motive to kill people
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Post by alexiarevan on Jun 7, 2017 13:49:15 GMT
could be addison? I mean...what if her depression is more out of guilt then ''cose everything is screwed!'' lol She did act weird when she come down on Eos . What was that talk all about ? It's like there was potentiel there for a start of a conspiracy then it was removed . Dont you think? Please...everyone need Loreal! Sleeping in Stasis doesn't help your skin condition!
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Jun 7, 2017 14:09:07 GMT
Trying to put myself into Addison's shoes...
Things have been going downhill ever since they arrived in the Andromeda Galaxy. Finally, Addison has an idea to send out a number shuttles to look for viable planets. This seemed to brighten her up a little, but of course that also turned out to be a bust. So, it's failure upon failure upon failure. Resources are dwindling, repairs were undone by the uprising. There's no light at the end of the tunnel.
Then the Hyperion shows up and it turns out that the Pathfinder you hoped would lead you now is no longer alive and he's been replaced by a 22 year old with hardly any experience...
I'd be skeptical too.
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Post by alexiarevan on Jun 7, 2017 16:03:37 GMT
Trying to put myself into Addison's shoes... Things have been going downhill ever since they arrived in the Andromeda Galaxy. Finally, Addison has an idea to send out a number shuttles to look for viable planets. This seemed to brighten her up a little, but of course that also turned out to be a bust. So, it's failure upon failure upon failure. Resources are dwindling, repairs were undone by the uprising. There's no light at the end of the tunnel. Then the Hyperion shows up and it turns out that the Pathfinder you hoped would lead you now is no longer alive and he's been replaced by a 22 year old with hardly any experience... I'd be skeptical too. dont forget all the drama with Tann and the Krogan . And the complains about Spender that her departement was getting over and over . I'm not saying she did it , but Jiann dead during the Uprising right? because..Tann said that the whole section was locked during the uprising . once we investigate that someone made it to Jian appartement , Ryder ask Sam how that could be if the place was locked . And then she say that , that mean they just assumed . So Jian died before the uprising or during it? Hum...during it would be the best moment in all the chaos . since alot of peoples 1) died 2) get kicked out . So whoever killed her either died , or was an exile in the end . Usually in crimes like this..its either follow the money trail if there is one and see where it lead . Or ask yourself , who benefit the most from her death ? Tann benefited the most from her death . Yet the one who killed her was a human . doesnt mean necessarly that a human was behind this . Salarian are uber smart and cunning . It could easely be a matter of making sure an angry Joe has access to Jian and let it happen . clearly someone who can do that , is either Tann or Spender or Adisson . Take ya pick
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Jun 7, 2017 16:42:38 GMT
Jien Garson didn't die during the uprising. The time frame for her death was sometime during the first 27 hours after arrival (The moment from their arrival until the moment they found her body)
The uprising occurred months after that, because of all the crappy decisions Tann (and Addison to a point) made. At this point Tann wanted to put people, who had helped repairing the Nexus, back into stasis because of resources getting scarcer. Some people were scared they'd never get out of cryo again.
Spender was in stasis during those first 27 hours after the Nexus arrived in Andromeda.
By the time they pulled Tann from stasis Jien was already missing for quite some time. He was pulled from stasis because he was number 8 in line for Nexus leadership. The others before him all died because of the scourge. Therefore I don't think he had the opportunity to kill her.
And I still refuse to believe that it was Addison. That would just be too obvious.
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Post by alexiarevan on Jun 7, 2017 16:45:56 GMT
Jien Garson didn't die during the uprising. The time frame for her death was sometime during the first 27 hours after arrival (The moment from their arrival until the moment they found her body) The uprising occurred months after that, because of all the crappy decisions Tann (and Addison to a point) made. At this point Tann wanted to put people, who had helped repairing the Nexus, back into stasis because of resources getting scarcer. Some people were scared they'd never get out of cryo again. Spender was in stasis during those first 27 hours after the Nexus arrived in Andromeda. By the time they pulled Tann from stasis Jien was already missing for quite some time. He was pulled from stasis because he was number 8 in line for Nexus leadership. The others before him all died because of the scourge. Therefore I don't think he had the opportunity to kill her. And I still refuse to believe that it was Addison. That would just be too obvious. if Tann was in Stasis ... That doesn't leave many who were awake right ? either addison..or the krogan . and I mean that Kesh watever her name...was she awake with Adisson? wish this was investigate..sheesh..now I wanna know ! LOL
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Jun 7, 2017 17:51:23 GMT
I'm not sure how many people were out of cryo at the time. Kesh was, but I can't see her as a suspect.
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Post by alexiarevan on Jun 7, 2017 18:39:05 GMT
Ok.. So far.. It can't be Addison.. because.. It can't be Kesh.... Because..Morda will blast us out of Orbit! She is scary like hell! Lol And it can't be...Sloane... because.. She can do that! It can't be reyes...(but totally it's HIM!) lol because... He is so Suaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave...how can you accuse him! lol It can't be Tann... Because... wait a minute..he doesn't have a defense! Ding Ding Ding!
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