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Post by Tup on Sept 20, 2020 7:52:52 GMT
Uhh... it was about time I did a proper dusting for my PC (GPU temps dropped a bit): Filters do work really nicely. R4 isn't an airflow master so I have somewhat brute forced things. Fans do not run at very high speed though (<750 RPM) while CPU fan is <650 RPM on desktop (basically silent - the benefits of air cooler: no pump noises). Bottom fan and open side panel fan slot (with dust filter) help the most. I could probably drop the bottom front fan and it wouldn't make much if not at all difference. Noctua has black fan now too which would definitely look better... I have Noiseblocker BlackSilentPRO PK-2 which are fantastic when it comes to noise (Noctuas too). I do have one PK-3 which run at up to 1700 RPM (and thus I have to reduce its speed a lot... should have bought PK-2 instead). I've heard lots of praise regarding ARCTIC P14 fans so I'll be getting one for some testing. I want to see how it performs noise wise as intake fan (and put that PK-3 as exhaust). If it does good job then I'll probably just buy a bunch of them (or BioniX variant) if or when I switch case. HDD is definitely the loudest component.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Sept 20, 2020 18:53:30 GMT
Tup : Heh. I guess a bit of dusting wouldn't hurt. Because of the cat I had to regularly clean the front case filter, since cat hair builded up there quite easily. So cleaning that one was pretty much a weekly routine. Would do it while vacuum cleaning my room. Easy stuff too since I can just snap if off and back on again. The top and bottom filters have always stayed reasonably clean though, so I don't clean those that often. Should probably give the inside of my case a good cleaning now the weather's still good. Read good reviews about those Noctua fans, but that fugly brown colour is just really off-putting. In a fully closed case it's obviously not a big deal. But in a window case bah! Surprised it took them this long to realise that many people prefer a more neutral colour in their case. As far as an external optical drive or card reader is concerned. I've been trying to declutter, so I'd rather not spend money on those. Especially while the optical drive and card reader are fully up to date. Admittedly, Two of the USB 2.0 ports on the card reader don't work, because I couldn't connect them to the mainboard (lack of connections) Then again the card reader came with 4 USB 2.0 ports and 2 USB 3.0 ports. Who the hell even uses 6 USB ports On top of that the case itself has 2 USB 3.0 ports on the front panel and there are still a number of USB ports availabe on the mainboard's IO shield.
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Post by Tup on Sept 20, 2020 19:06:09 GMT
I've been slacking about one year when it comes to cleaning and it probably shows...
When I finally upgrade mobo and CPU, I can finally get rid of that fan controller and stick all fans directly to motherboard. It's old enough that it has really poor fan control in BIOS. I have to use speedfan which is legacy software at this point. Also PWM only works with CPU fan, rest are voltage only.
When it comes to colour scheme I prefer black and white where case is white (innards too).
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Sept 21, 2020 16:33:08 GMT
Well, I followed your example and cleaned my PC as well. Seems now was the time, because it looks like it's going to rain again in a couple of days. For some reason I didn't get around to cleaning the inside of my PC last year, so there was actually some dust inside to get rid off. Seems most dust ends up in the dual fans and radiator of the AIO liquid cooler, which I have installed in the top of my case (those fans are installed as exhaust fans btw) Should really make it a point to clean the inside once a year though. Also fixed my optical drive. Hadn't been able to use it for a while, because it didn't seem to get any power. Figured the connector probably got loose, and it turned out it had. Just couldn't be arsed all this time to open up my case and check to see what was wrong. For me as far as colour scheme is concerned: black for the case mostly. But I don't mind it if there's a bit of colour. I do like having coloured LEDs on the inside, but only as a solid colour. No flashing. Minimalistic I guess. I love blue, which is why I got the blue variant of Corsair's Vengeance memory at the time. They weren't easy to find at the time btw.
I'd hate to think what it would look like after 2 years without the filters lol
Purely for fun I should have checked the temperatures before and after the cleaning. Currently the CPU is running at roughly 29°C when idling and 68°C max when playing HZD.
GPU maxes at 66°C. Considering I never changed the pre-applied thermal paste on the cooler and had those thermal pads applied to my GPU it's not bad I suppose.
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Post by Tup on Sept 23, 2020 18:14:42 GMT
I started testing ARCTIC P14 Silent today - seems really nice for the price. Unfortunately it's too thick to be installed in front of my case (annoyingly few mm thicker than usual). Haven't tested if proper workload yet but yeah. Currently replaced the Noctua. Still, Noiseblocker BlackSilent Pro PK2 are pretty nice. They are very compatible and come with rubber frame and tool less screw system (and two different sized cables). Sure, it could have a bit more modern fan design for higher static pressure and so on but still does seem to do quite nice job as a case fan and the motor is good. One costs almost 3x more than one ARCTIC P14 Silent... When both run at same speed (about 750-800 RPM there really isn't much difference - ARCTIC P14 Silent might be even more silent). For cooler/rad I'd go with Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM (and preferably the black version when it comes out...). For CPU cooler it's critical to have a fan that sounds make weird noises at certain RPM ranges and it's also extremely high static pressure fan. It looks like those dust filters could do a bit better job. Your temperatures are actually very similar to mine. After the cleaning my GPU maxes out at 67c HOWEVER I use custom fan curve that's less aggressive than the default and I have overclocked my card. Those CPU temps are too basically the same (my CPU is overclocked so it runs hotter than at stock). I'm definitely air cooler over AIO guy. Speaking of thermal paste... I wonder how it looks like under the heatsink. It's been looong time when I applied that. I'm starting to have slight doubt about RTX 3080... Can't help it. That power usage is pretty dramatic and there's some rather disturbing reports of cards breaking or crashing easily (might be caused by power related spikes). I'd like to avoid buying Radeon but if it ends up offering a better deal...
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Sept 24, 2020 22:28:10 GMT
Hmmm... I wonder if I should clean the dust filter at the front of my case less often. Then it would be much harder for more dust to penetrate inside the case I think without the filter the inside of my case would probably have looked like your dust filter did. (which kinda looks like the filter of my tumble dryer after it has finished a load lol) So I guess it's doing an adequate job.
I suppose that now the cat's gone it will attract a lot less dust.
Just read about the issue with the RTX 3080. They mention the reports involve custom factory-overclocked models. Article mentioned Zotac, MSI, EVGA. What about Asus?
Someone on a forum mentioned using an 850+ Watt PSU, so I'd be good to go Maybe it's even something that can be solved that can be solved with a driver update?
Either way the 30XX series GPU's are pretty much impossible to come by at the moment and as long as you're not planning to build a new PC next week: It'd seem weird if the issues wouldn't be resolved by the time you do plan on building one?
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Post by Tup on Sept 26, 2020 19:07:47 GMT
Hmmm... I wonder if I should clean the dust filter at the front of my case less often. Then it would be much harder for more dust to penetrate inside the case I think without the filter the inside of my case would probably have looked like your dust filter did. (which kinda looks like the filter of my tumble dryer after it has finished a load lol) So I guess it's doing an adequate job.
I suppose that now the cat's gone it will attract a lot less dust.
Just read about the issue with the RTX 3080. They mention the reports involve custom factory-overclocked models. Article mentioned Zotac, MSI, EVGA. What about Asus?
Someone on a forum mentioned using an 850+ Watt PSU, so I'd be good to go Maybe it's even something that can be solved that can be solved with a driver update?
Either way the 30XX series GPU's are pretty much impossible to come by at the moment and as long as you're not planning to build a new PC next week: It'd seem weird if the issues wouldn't be resolved by the time you do plan on building one?
There's actually a lot of instability reports coming on. This summaries it well: videocardz.com/newz/manufacturers-respond-to-geforce-rtx-3080-3090-crash-to-desktop-issuesIt's still more or less a mystery at this point. Lots of guessing. But as you said it's impossible to get a GeForce RTX 3000 cards at the moment (and that probably is going to be the case for a while) so it's good to just wait and see how thing go. Since AMD's cards are coming out soon, that makes waiting even more sensible. By the way, I did some testing with the fans. I removed bottom front intake fan and it made absolutely no difference what so ever. I guess it's not that surprising since the HDD cage blocks airflow completely. Bottom fan can blow almost directly to the GPU and the upper front should help the CPU. To morrow I'm going to swap the Noctua with PK-3. That Noctua is actually surprisingly noisy... ARCTIC P14 is impressive noise wise (turbulence) but the motor can make certain noises that kinda nullify the whole thing. Also it's much heavier than the Noiseblockers which definitely makes it more prone to vibration (also since it's thicker than 2,5cm I can't use Noiseblockers silicone frame and stuff). For fans in general it's really important that they don't vibrate much and the motor doesn't make annoying high pitched noises.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Sept 27, 2020 17:17:15 GMT
Hmmm... so it looks like Asus has already taken action by using those higher quality capacitators on their TUF Gaming OC cards. Assuming they use those for the STRIX cards too. Guessing this is going to be a real pain in the behind for those who've already bought an RTX3000 series GPU.
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Post by Tup on Sept 27, 2020 19:32:04 GMT
Hmmm... so it looks like Asus has already taken action by using those higher quality capacitators on their TUF Gaming OC cards. Assuming they use those for the STRIX cards too. Guessing this is going to be a real pain in the behind for those who've already bought an RTX3000 series GPU. Those are... who? Heh, I guess the poor availability helps here... Still not sure if I would try to wait until DDR5 platforms come out before upgrading the rest of my system. If I do plant to do it this year, I'd be using this case (Phanteks Eclipse P600s, white version) for it: phanteks.com/Eclipse-P600s.htmlMy current one would be a backup shell.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Sept 27, 2020 20:56:48 GMT
That's a pretty nice looking case, Tup . Still haven't a clue about a new case. Well, I did see a really nice one the other day (Cooler Master Cosmos C700M), but it costs a small fortune and the case alone weighs over 20 kg
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Post by Tup on Sept 28, 2020 17:39:36 GMT
Aa... That one... It's definitely too large and heavy for my taste. Phanteks Eclipse P600s would be "about the same" size as my current one but with definitely more sensible design. Just enough more room to make it easier to work with. Define R4 has some poor design choices. I like how Phanteks designed the P600s in a way that you can easily remove the front and top panel for maximum airflow (might still work well enough with them on for quieter operation - and it also does proper have dust filter behind the mesh). Also the price is quite nice. I do wish that they'd have white version with metal side panel though. I really do like how P600s looks like.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Sept 29, 2020 17:29:50 GMT
Looking at the specs for the P600S case it also outweighs my Corsair Obsidian 450D: 13.5 kg compared to my Obsidian 450D's 7 kg. I suppose the tempered glass side panel can partly be blamed for that. The P600S is also a tiny bit larger. Offering a bit more room for cable management perhaps? Now the dimensions of the case don't really bother me that much, but weight is kinda of an issue for me.
I looked at some of the other Phanteks cases and I think the Enthoo Evolve ATX model would suit me a bit better in terms of weight, but since it's not an airflow case what does this mean in terms of cooling? I'm assuming airflow cases do a better job at this.
I kinda like the look of Corsair's Carbide Series SPEC-OMEGA RGB, which has a tempered glass side panel and front window, and is roughly the same weight as the ol' Obsidian 450D. On the other hand I've seen/read some reviews mentioning that the cable management is a little tight there
Btw also saw a version of the Evolve ATX where both of the side panels were made of tempered glass. Not sure why I'd want to be reminded all of the time of my lousy attempt at cable management
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Post by Tup on Oct 2, 2020 19:17:53 GMT
It's probably with all the crap inside (drive cages, noise dampening panels and all). The weight is comparable to my Define R4 which I can still handle well enough. Also there's no real weight difference between the metal side panel version and glass version (if I remember correctly the glass version was slight lighter). If case a lot less than 10 kg it's usually wither quite small or the used meal is rather so so (and/or there's no noise dampening materials/mesh design). I did check out with quite a few reviews (including SPEC-OMEGA, which didn't seem that great according to reviews) but there doesn't seem to be many that fit my needs. Phanteks ECLIPSE P500A (or even ECLIPSE P400A) would be fine if it had better filters. It has only that mesh in front - it will probably do a decent job but I'd still have one fine filters that block the small stuff too. It is a rather fine mesh though... Something like Enthoo Evolve ATX will definitely not have as good cooling as ECLIPSE series cases. Mmmm... Upcoming Ryzen leaks look really promising assuming that those are real. videocardz.com/newz/alleged-cpu-z-score-of-amd-ryzen-9-5900x-leaks-out
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 2, 2020 22:40:09 GMT
A 6.5 kg difference is quite a bit of weight though. And I can't imagine those noise dampening materials making up for most of that difference. Tempered glass window side window would contribute to the weight (compared to acrylic window in my case's side panel. Other than that maybe Phanteks uses more steel in their chassis? Add to that a GPU that is heavier and the whole contraption would be a pain in the ass for me to get downstairs in case I want to clean it. I like how that P600S has doors btw. Placing back the side panels on the Obsidian can be a bit tricky when the top or bottom isn't aligned correctly.
Btw read that Asus gave a statement concerning those RTX 3080/ 3090 cards: So this seems like good news.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 3, 2020 17:26:22 GMT
Tup: Hmmm... The NZXT H710(i) looks pretty nice too. Not exactly an airflow case either. But I do like the minimalistic look of it. Cable management also seems well decent. Btw as far as cases that weigh less than 10 kg is concerned: The Obsidian 450D is roughly the same size as the Phanteks case you mentioned or the NZXT H710 series. So in this case it's the materials used that matter. I suppose the 450D uses more plastic, but most of it is quite durable. The acrylic side panel window I'm not so sure about though. If only they could release the 450D with a tempered glass window and the side panels being like doors. That'd be ideal for me.
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