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Post by Tup on Oct 3, 2020 20:28:18 GMT
NZXT H710 is quite good according to reviews but considering that it costs about 20 € more than P600s... I don't think that it's a particularly good deal. P600s is a hybrid design so the silent aspect means basically thicker steel panels and sound dampening materials and it does add weight. Similar situation with my Define R4 (except the front airflow sucks - but bottom fan is can work pretty freely). Not sure if there's any real reason to no use aluminium though.
This month is going to be rather interesting... Next Ryzen CPUs are about to be announced and Radeons late this month.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 4, 2020 21:05:13 GMT
The be quiet! Dark Base 700 also seems interesting. Stylish and apparently it's possible to invert the whole thing so that the window's on the right side of the case.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 5, 2020 18:22:39 GMT
Referring to the previous post: the fact that the Dark Base 700 can be inverted is a pretty nice feature. Here's an old picture that roughly shows how my desk was setup: Currently the PC is situated under my desk on the right side. Ideally, with all the dead space under my desk on the left side, it would have been nice to have been able to place my PC there...
But then you come across several issues: First of all it's pretty pointless to have a window case if the window's right next to the wall. Mind you, at the time I set up my desk I didn't have a PC case with a window and my initial idea was to place my case on the left side. Whether you have a window case or not this will be rather impractical because the mouse and keyboard cables simply aren't long enough. Maybe if you're a left handed person this would work better?
Of course one solution would be to get a wireless mouse and keyboard, but I've had crappy experiences with those, so I prefer them being cabled.
So yeah, my initial thought was: "Wow! An invertible case!" But ultimately it's not something for me because there'd still be those keyboard/mouse cable length restrictions.
Dumb question time: If I were to build a PC with the upcoming AMD CPU a motherboard with the x570 chipset would be the most favourable to get right?
And another dumb question: Parents currently use a free antivirus/firewall program. My dad keeps complaining about the numerous pop-ups he gets on his laptop. I keep telling him that most of these pop-ups are only there to get people to get a paid subscription or a paid version of the software, but elderly people and computers...
Anyway, I have a paid subscription to an antivirus/firewall program myself, which comes with 10 licenses. I'm currently using 5 of those licenses for my devices, so I wonder if it's possible to use those the remaining ones on my parents' computers. The fact that they don't live at the same adress shouldn't really matter right?
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Post by Tup on Oct 5, 2020 18:42:05 GMT
My interior is white everything which I kinda like but it would mean that black case would stand out in not so nice way. Personally I always like to put the PC on my left side and since it's standing on the floor anyway, it doesn't matter at all to me whether or not it has a window or if I can see it (I can't - it's under my electric IKEA BEKANT desk, 160cm wide).
If cables as issue, I'd consider buying a active USB hub. I actually use one (passive, since USB3.0 has quite a bit of power) because it's pain to go behind my computer to rip the keyboard, DAC and mouse out when I use my work laptop. Wireless stuff is just... not good.
X570 is in theory the best but chipsets usually have fans but not all run them all the time. B550 is never with few cuts (no PCI-E 4 from chipset, only directly from CPU) but it doesn't have chipset fan. It's interesting to see if they have motherboard refresh coming with next gen Ryzens.
It doesn't matter. My family also has family plan from Norton (10 devices) so those are spread over three house holds. Also there really isn't anything wrong with Windows Defender from protection point of view. That's what I use with my work laptop. I still think that Norton is faster in certain cases overall and that's basically the only reason I keep using it. It used to be garbage but these days it's definitely one of the lighter AV products out there.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 5, 2020 19:37:25 GMT
I see, Tup. Personally, I do like a bit of contrast/colour in my space. But nothing over the top I guess. I don't like the flashy stuff though. I guess I like my window case. Never really thought about it, but maybe because whenever I look at it it reminds me of something I accomplished/did right? And then the LED lights setup just seems reassuring to me. It's only set to blue, which is my favourite colour. Usually I turn the lights down when I'm in my PC room anyway, so a bit of light coming from the PC, keyboard and mouse doesn't hurt I guess. Yeah, there are hubs or extension cables too, but more cables/equipment... AAARGH!!! My current setup is as good as it gets I suppose. If I read it correct the AMD B500 series is the basic version and the X500 series the more high end stuff? How long will it take before new motherboards will be available for this new AMD CPU? Will it be worth to wait for them? Damn, is this even a question? There's always something better.
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Post by Tup on Oct 6, 2020 19:40:03 GMT
If there's something coming, they'll announce it together with next gen CPUs. The way I see it: if you are fine with single PCI-E 4 NVMe slot, then B550 may be better option. There really isn't much difference (though, I guess B550 lacks internal USB 3.2 Gen 2 connector for case). That being said, there isn't much price difference in similar quality boards. The chipset fan on X570 is a big turnoff though and I sure hope that they are releasing a new version without one. The chipset is actually repurposed Ryzen IO chip (there was slight difference in manufacturing process if I remember correctly, but essentially the same thing).
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 8, 2020 15:29:29 GMT
Guess that will be interesting then. After so many Intel based PC's and laptops...
Definitely an impressive sales pitch
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Post by Tup on Oct 8, 2020 18:10:36 GMT
So... Ryzen 9 5900X is the one that I'm gunning for. For motherboard I'd pick MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI. It has really good VRM & features and on top of that the chipset fan is semi passive. For memory I'd go with G.Skill 32GB (4x8GB) Trident Z DDR 3600 MHz 16-16-16-36 RAM (F4-3600C16D-16GTZKW or F4-3600C16Q-32GTZKK). I'd also buy a NVMe drive for OS and retire my Samsung 830 from that job. Down the line I'll buy another large NVMe drive for games and replace my Toshiba HDD with my Crucial MX500 2TB SSD, which is handling the games currently. Case is going to be the white Phanteks P600s.
I guess that's going to be a Christmas present from myself to me.
By they way, my work laptop is 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U and it's really nice and fast. Absolutely murder my old 2c/4t Intel Haswell. Working with it is fantastic - it's a multitasking monster.
Judging by the teaser AMD showed it doesn't look like the next Radeon is going to beat RTX 3080 (let alone RTX 3090). It does look like it might be hard to buy a GPU this year...
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 8, 2020 18:42:10 GMT
What? Not the 5950? I am disappoint, Tup!
I guess I could make it a b'day gift/xmas pressie/end of year benefit for me.
Also looking into getting a new cat. It's just too quiet in here without my little buddy
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Post by Tup on Oct 8, 2020 19:22:34 GMT
Not worth it and harder to cool. 5900 is the sweet spot.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 8, 2020 20:51:27 GMT
Hopefully more RTX 3080 cards will be available before xmas then.
Personally, I'd still aim for an Asus motherboard ROG or ROG Strix.
Currently have 32 GB of Corsair Vengeance 3000 MHz DDR4 RAM. C15 yada yada. Wonder how much of a difference that'd really make compared to a 3600 MHz version? The RAM modules I have were a pain in the ass to get at the time btw: I wanted the version with the blue LEDs, but most stores I knew only sold the versions with red or white LEDs.
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Post by Tup on Oct 9, 2020 19:34:52 GMT
3600 MHz RAM (with 16-16-16-36 timings) would obviously be faster. Would you actually notice it outside benchmarks? Probably (in fact, rather likely) not. You could upgrade down the road if you feel like it. This is the end of the line for DDR4 though, next stuff is going to use DDR5.
I think ASUS screwed a bit with their X570 motherboards a bit... they made some design choices that I do not like (chipset cooling, how the fan is positioned etc.). Also in terms of value I'd go with MSI this time.
I wonder if I should start ordering stuff... Mobo, vram, cooler first and ssd first. Then case and finally CPU when available.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 10, 2020 16:45:56 GMT
Spreading the costs never hurts. Personally, I think the first thing I'd buy would be the case and the CPU. Fans if you don't like the stock ones and the CPU cooler. Other things depend on availability and I fear it's going to take a while till the GPU I'd like to buy is available. Btw some rumours that NVIDIA's 20GB version of the RTX 3080 might be available in December. If the availibitly is as good as the current RTX 3080 cards... Of course I could build a new PC and use the GTX 1070 for the time being, but that seems rather pointless to me. As far as the motherboard is concerned. Asus will be releasing Zen 3 ready, beefed-up versions of the ROG Crosshair VIII. and ROG STRIX B550.The ROG Crosshair will probably cost and arm and a leg, but I'm interested to see what the STRIX version will do in terms of pricing.
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Post by Tup on Oct 10, 2020 19:28:51 GMT
I can keep using my GTX 1070 till the GPU availability situation improves. Upcoming Radeons should improve the overall situation since there's more buying options for customers. If the Big Navi offer similar performance to RTX 3080 I might go that route if it's available.
That new Crosshair is going to be ridiculous in terms of pricing. ROG Crosshair VIII Hero costs 439,90 € here already. It's just not worth it and in my use it wouldn't do anything better than, say MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI. ROG STRIX B550-XE GAMING WIFI is interesting, but it does look like it's going to be 299 € (or close) product. Bit too much for B550 when there are boards like MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI (cheaper). MSI had Zen 3 ready BIOS out about two weeks ago. It's possible to flash it without the CPU and RAM if it doesn't ship with it already. I had to do that for my ASUS P8Z77-V once when I just for some reason couldn't access the BIOS (usually flashed through the BIOS but that wasn't possible, though that flashing from DOS or Windows might be risky in this state). It was the easiest way to do a forced BIOS flash.
Asus ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING is actually really good board already, costs 279,90 € here. ROG STRIX B550-XE GAMING WIFI might actually be the same (with really minor visual changes) but with new BIOS out of the box. It actually has USB 3.2 Gen 2 front panel connector which is rare for B550 boards. Wired Intel NIC is also a plus but large plus enough to pay that more vs. MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI. To be honest I don't have any brand loyalty towards ASUS. I've had MSI boards in the past (AMD Athlon XP era). I'll just buy what offers the best price/performance ratio.
Will be grabbing Kingston A2000 500GB as OS drive to replace the Samsung 830 128GB. It has surprisingly high random read speed in queue depths where things matter so in other words perfect for OS use.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 10, 2020 20:45:32 GMT
Well, I mostly do have a certain loyalty towards certain brands. My philosophy is that if you've never experienced any problems with one brand and if you like the design and can afford to stick with this... Why change? Once I start having issues with certain brands I'm afraid that they'll have lost me as a customer. Probably mentioned this before, but I've had a 3 months old Citroen C3 suffer from spontaneous combustion. . The replacement car I got at one point also started having all kinds of issues. Obviously no more Citroen's for me. Haven't had any serious issues with the current brand of cars I've bought over the last 13 years or so.
Also reminds me of an issue we had at work: had to replace an old analyzer, which had loads and loads of issues and crappy service.
Some colleagues and I even got to go on a trip to check out an analyzer from a different brand to replace the old one. We already have several other analyzers of this brand at my workplace and they mostly perform without any serious issues. Anyway, all of us were quite enthousiastic about this new analyzer when we came back from this trip. Yet, it was decided to buy a new analyzer from the same company of the instrument we were going to replace. Because it was cheaper...
Well.. aside the warranty, lots of issues from the start. So much that it wants to make you head--->desk
Btw the ROG STRIX B550-E is currently about €229 if I'd order if from Amazon.de.
Got my current motherboard from there as well. In some cases ordering from Amazon.de really paid off in terms of pricing.
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