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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 10, 2020 23:19:03 GMT
Been clearing out my parent's attic the other day, since they're going to move. Came across my old MSX computer. The 2nd computer we ever had:
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Post by Tup on Oct 12, 2020 19:02:40 GMT
Well, I mostly do have a certain loyalty towards certain brands. My philosophy is that if you've never experienced any problems with one brand and if you like the design and can afford to stick with this... Why change? Once I start having issues with certain brands I'm afraid that they'll have lost me as a customer. Probably mentioned this before, but I've had a 3 months old Citroen C3 suffer from spontaneous combustion. . The replacement car I got at one point also started having all kinds of issues. Obviously no more Citroen's for me. Haven't had any serious issues with the current brand of cars I've bought over the last 13 years or so.
Also reminds me of an issue we had at work: had to replace an old analyzer, which had loads and loads of issues and crappy service.
Some colleagues and I even got to go on a trip to check out an analyzer from a different brand to replace the old one. We already have several other analyzers of this brand at my workplace and they mostly perform without any serious issues. Anyway, all of us were quite enthousiastic about this new analyzer when we came back from this trip. Yet, it was decided to buy a new analyzer from the same company of the instrument we were going to replace. Because it was cheaper...
Well.. aside the warranty, lots of issues from the start. So much that it wants to make you head--->desk
Btw the ROG STRIX B550-E is currently about €229 if I'd order if from Amazon.de.
Got my current motherboard from there as well. In some cases ordering from Amazon.de really paid off in terms of pricing.
These days I double check what I buy. Things can vary quite a bit from generation to generation. Germany has nice VAT advantage currently but once you reach checkout the reality hits in your face. xD Been clearing out my parent's attic the other day, since they're going to move. Came across my old MSX computer. The 2nd computer we ever had: We had (still have, at parent home) MSX too and it's till in working condition. When I was a kid it was already old news and dad had moved on so I actually used Windows 3.x on x86 hardware first.
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Post by Tup on Oct 13, 2020 14:41:02 GMT
Ordered first set of stuff today: - Kingston A2000 500GB for OS. - MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI. - G.Skill 32GB (4 x 8GB) Trident Z 3600 MHz 16-16-16-36.
Probably order the case next week. After that I'll have everything I need except the CPU and cooler (which I will order together). There might be a sudden surge in mobo and RAM demand so it's good to put in orders for those now...
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 13, 2020 17:09:05 GMT
Well, the MSX is gone now: taken to the recycling center this afternoon. I actually used to play a lot of games on it, but then I guess I'm a bit older than you heh. I also did some really, really basic Basic programming on it. So should have stuck with that dammit!
Anyhoo, nice that you ordered some stuff already.
I'm gonna wait for a while I guess. For me there's not much sense in ordering anything just yet. Maybe I'll order the CPU once it's available. Doesn't look like a new GPU will be available until next year though and Asus GPU's seem to be particular popular... Read about the issues of a Danish store regarding the availability of NVIDIA 3000 series GPU's. Doesn't look very promising atm.
Motherboard? Maybe something new and better will show up by the time I'm actually seriously contemplating placing an order? As far as memory is concerned: I'm not even sure what to do at this point. Stick with the RAM I currently have, and maybe once I am ready to order it'll be easier to order what I want?
Btw, Tup, seriously considering that Phanteks case you mentioned too now btw. Despite that it's heavier than my current case. It seems like an easy case to build inf. And, I suppose, if I want to clean it I can easily remove the glass side panel and GPU, to make it more easy for me to take it downstairs and outside for cleaning.
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Post by Tup on Oct 13, 2020 19:46:42 GMT
I've waited for soo long... I just can't wait any longer! My fingers are itching really badly. Getting a GPU might be hard and I guess it might not be a cake walk to get the CPU either but I guess it should be easier.
If I were you, I'd probably just stick with the ram you have. Also it *might* works at 3200 MHz with the same latencies (it's better to run proper checks when overclocking the RAM though, unstable RAM can cause nasty corruptions...).
That's one reason why I'm aiming to get one. It seems to be easy to work with and roomy enough -> less compatibility issues. Also they have though about the cooling and alternatively noise. If you want to make it lighter you can remove both side panels, top and front panel too.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 13, 2020 20:48:04 GMT
I guess you waited a bit longer than me, so I really get that you are itching. Never thought this, but I'm itching too when I think of it. Just to have something to do, take my mind of things.
I think getting the CPU might actually be easier than getting a new GPU at this point to be honest. It'd surprise me if AMD hadn't learned from the issues with NVIDIA's 3000 series.
I guess sticking with the RAM I currently have is the easiest and probably cheapest thing to do. I don't think the current configuration has seriously let me down at this point. Some issues maybe, but mostly good.
Never bothered with overclocking either. Honestly, I was just glad my system worked when I turned it on for the 2nd time. (First time it didn't work, because of plugging in an HDMI monitor.) Plugging in my new monitor instead worked like a charm (DVI) connection)
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Post by Tup on Oct 15, 2020 15:06:09 GMT
Ordered the P600s today. Only one was in stock and I don't want to miss out... Normally I go to pick the stuff myself but since the home delivery cost was 9,99 €, it's just simpler this way. I'd have to borrow a car from my parents, then return it. Our apartment complex has own package locker so that I barely have to move my legs to get my stuff. Something this large doesn't fit (or it might but they don't deliver it to those "SmartPOST" lockers) there but the rest are no problem.
I'll be keeping my old build as backup for possible trouble shooting and stuff.
By the way, I ordered my current mobo (Asus P8Z77-V) and RAM (2x G.Skill 8GB Dual Kit Ripjaws X (2x4GB) DDR3 1600) on 17.4.2012. Respectable mileage I must say.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 15, 2020 17:23:15 GMT
Neat Usually I try to order my parts from places where I already have an account and if they can offer next day delivery that would even be better, because then I can be home myself to receive it. Currently 5 online stores offer that particular Phanteks case, but Amazon is the only one I have an account with. Delivery would be somewhere between October 19 and November 4. Now if there's a delivery window I'd normally ask my parents if they mind having a parcel delivered there and since they don't get out much that is mostly not a problem. But now they're in the process of moving, so I'd have to wait till things are settled anyway. I still have my old Alienware PC. It only misses the GPU and the hard drives. That one would definitely have to go to the recycling center. Kind of a shame though, because I quite liked the look of the case.
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Post by Tup on Oct 17, 2020 17:37:59 GMT
How things looked in 2013... Quite unsightly. Antec 300 wasn't quite designed for this kind of stuff. xD Top card was MSI GTX 680 reference design, second one was Palit's GTX 680 non-reference blower version. Not that it looked much cleaner in my current case... Four PCI-e power connectors did cause quite a mess. Also the PSU was quiet large so there were physical limitations how I would route the cables. If I remember correctly it's the reason why I positioned it like that (fan facing up). It wouldn't have been possible to use bottom fan. Personally I buy my stuff almost exclusively from Jimm's and Verkkokauppa.com, which are the top dogs here anyway. It's simpler to work with local shops than Amazon.de in case I have to RMA stuff.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 17, 2020 19:15:22 GMT
Reminds me of my first PC or my mom's PC. Guess cable management isn't a big issue in cases that have no window.
Used to have a shop nearby that sold custom built PC's, which is where I got the Pentium 75 from. Pretty decent store, but it didn't make it.
Parts from my current PC came from coolblue.com, alternate.nl and amazon.com. Mostly amazon turned out to be cheaper and the RAM I wanted was only available from there.
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Post by Tup on Oct 18, 2020 19:27:20 GMT
Just realised something... Scythe coolers (Mugen 5 and Fuma 2) have convex surface so those might not actually be the best options for Ryzen. I guess I'll just go with Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black which should be just fine when running at stock. There isn't going to be massive overclocking headroom with 5900X so I'm not even going to bother this time. Overclocking made a lot of sense with i7-3770K but these days they tend to squeeze everything out.
(That being said, I still need to do some research. Fuma 2 would be pretty darn good if the base turns out to be a non-issue.)
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Post by Tup on Oct 20, 2020 14:33:42 GMT
Received the case. First impressions are really good. It came with printed manual that had proper colour pictures! Build quality is excellent. It doesn't feel heavy and it's not actually that large. Without the stuff it doesn't feel heavy at all either. The HDD brackets are rather solid and weight quite a bit (only need one anyway and when I switch my HDD to SDD, I don't need even that one). The build in fan hub is excellent too. Everything feels solid and the materials are not cheap. It also looks really nice.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 20, 2020 22:23:45 GMT
Definitely looks like a good, solid case, Tup. The couple of reviews I saw were all good. I think I'd settle for the gray version to have something other than black. White would stick out too much for me. Damn, if there was a midtower version of that Cooler Master Cosmos case I'd be in line for that, though. Please keep me updated on how building in it worked out for you (once you get around to that part), because I don't think I'll be getting around to building a new PC before you do.
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Post by GroundSquirrel on Oct 21, 2020 23:03:57 GMT
Hmmm... so now there are rumours that Nvidia won't be releasing the 16 GB version of the RTX 3070 and the 20 GB version of the RTX 3080. Does this involve custom GPU's too?
Makes you wonder why. Is it the huge backlog in production? Or aren't they too worried about the upcoming AMD GPU's?
And yeah, I know there's the COVID-19 issue, which in many cases makes it harder to get resources and all, but you'd think they'd have taken that into account before planning a release date???
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Post by Tup on Oct 22, 2020 19:40:40 GMT
Received RAM, SSD and motherboard today. It's still going to be quite a wait before I get the CPU and cooler... Motherboard is dark grey and RAM sticks are back and white (no leds).Should look fairly nice and monochromatic if I can get a GPU and CPU cooler that matches the theme. Gray P600s is also quite a nice looking one but in my case it wouldn't have blended as nicely with the rest of my stuff. When it comes to Ampere, it's starting to feel like it might receive the same fate as Fermi. GTX 400 series received a refresh very quickly (less than a year). GTX 500 is what the GTX 400 should have been. It does look like upcoming Radeon can be quite good. We'll see next week... Personally I prefer NVIDIA but if AMD can offer a card with 16GB of VRAM around the same performance as RTX 3080, then I think I'll go that route.
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